Do No Harm (Phenergan IV Push)

Since Seth’s bad reaction to his IVIG I have tried to get in contact with the doctor who ordered it. He was not there the day of the reaction. Another doctor was on call. I wanted to make sure he knew about it, and I wanted some reassurance about running the IV at a slower rate next time, and of course, I wanted to ask him about the Phenergan IV push in case, God forbid, his nurses were running it in like that without his knowledge. He didn’t return my phone message. He didn’t acknowledge my email. We have another infusion scheduled for next week, so I called again yesterday. The nurse said he’d probably want us to come in to talk to him. He doesn’t talk on the phone.

“My child doesn’t need to be examined. I need to talk to the doctor,” I said, incredulously.  For God’s sake. Riley’s orthodontist called the night she got her braces to see how she was doing. Seth has a severe reaction to an infusion and this guy doesn’t even bother to follow up? And wants us to pay for an office visit to talk to him about it? Hell no.

Somehow the nurse convinced him to come to the phone. The following is my remembrance of the conversation:

Me: I’m very disappointed that you never got back to me after Seth’s last infusion.

Him: I’m very busy. I get hundreds of calls per day. I can’t get back to everyone. I’ve got people coming from all over the country. We’re the only ones doing this for miles. I’ve got people coming all the way from Kentucky to see me. I try to get back to as many as a I can, but I can’t get back to everyone. In twenty years of doing IVIG, I’ve never seen a reaction like this. Never the vomiting and explosive (paraphrased, he said some medical term for explosive liquid) diarrhea.

Me: All the more reason to follow up with the parents, if his reaction was so rare.

Him: I think we have to consider the possibility it was the flu.




Me: He was fine before the infusion. He was back to his old self within an hour of being home. He was fine until the rate of his IV was increased. He got better as soon as it was decreased. He did not have the flu.

Him: It’s just that we’ve never seen this kind of reaction. He may not be able to continue with the infusions.

I got the distinct feeling he didn’t want to continue with me.

Me: But we were able to finish the infusion. Once the rate was reduced, we finished it and he did fine. I want to make sure that his next infusion is run at the slowest rate.

Him: Yes, we can keep it at a slow rate. And I can order Zofran (the anti-nausea med I requested last time, but didn’t get, and instead Seth got Phenergan IV push).

Me: So let’s address the Phenergan issue.

Did he really order it IV push, or is his nurse giving it the wrong way? 

Him: We’ve always given Phenergan IV push. We’ve been doing it that way for twenty years.


Me: But it’s no longer standard practice. A quick Google search will show you a bunch of class action lawsuits. They don’t do it like that in the hospitals anymore. My husband is a hospital pharmacist and he says it’s not been given that route in at least ten years.

Has he really done no continuing education?

Him: We’ve always done it that way and have never had any problems.

Me: If you have never had any problems with giving Phenergan IV push, then you’ve been  lucky, and you are playing Russian Roulette.

Him: We’ve always done it that way and have never had a problem.




He apparently has no intention of doing it any differently.

Him: If you don’t feel comfortable with our practice, then maybe you need to go somewhere else.

Me: But you just told me you are the only game in town. Where else would you suggest we go?

Him: I’m just saying, if you aren’t comfortable with us, maybe it isn’t the right fit.

Me: Are you saying you don’t want to treat my son because I am questioning you?

Him: No, I’m not saying that.

Me: I’m not trying to be difficult, I’m trying to help you. I’m trying to help your patients by bringing to your attention what can happen if you give Phenergan IV push. GRAPHIC PICTURES MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE STOMACH BEFORE YOU CLICK.

I want to make sure if we come for Seth’s infusion next week, that the rate will be slow, and he will get Zofran, rather than Phenergan.

Him: Yes, we can do that, but we’ll have to order it. We don’t carry Zofran typically.

Me: Okay. Order it.

We left it that we would be coming, but I’m not sure. Todd thinks we should not deny Seth this opportunity to heal. It takes three or four infusions before benefits are typically seen and Seth’s been really suffering. Todd made sure he took the day off so both of us can be there to supervise and monitor Seth. He wants to just use this place for what we need it for. We’ll keep an eye on the rate and the medications ourselves.

I don’t know. My confidence in them is lost. If Seth has another reaction, or God forbid anaphylaxis or something like that, do I trust them to save my child? It’s not in a hospital. It’s at a doctor’s office. It’s not like they can just zip him down the hall to the ER.

I feel the weight of the world on my shoulders. I am sick of being forced to make such weighty decisions. Sick of my child being sick. Sick of big ego doctors and healers and therapists and no one having a freaking clue. With few exceptions they all think they are the “answer” except there has been no answer. Seth’s incontinent. He can’t sleep. He’s too scared to go upstairs to the bathroom in our house anymore, unless someone comes with him. And the tics. The endless tics. His ribs hurt. His jaw hurts. His vocal tic is non-stop.

And while I am sick of them not knowing, I can accept it. We don’t know what we don’t know.

It’s the arrogance that gets to me.

* Professional guitarist, Diana Levine lost an arm after being given phenergan IV push.

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15 Responses to Do No Harm (Phenergan IV Push)

  1. Kathi says:

    I am so sick of assholes like this, and to say he’s done it for 20 years when everybody and their brother knows it is wrong to give an IV push. I think he simply sees you as “difficult.” I am very familiar with conversations like these. So tired of doctors not putting children’s well-being first. I just don’t get it.

  2. KFuller says:

    Michelle, Go with your gut. Go with Dad’s gut. Go.With.Your.Gut.
    Ask a Doctor you trust about this.
    It’s a whole new world of arrogant Doctors. After Nick’s appendectomy and the horrid hospital experience we wrote tons of letters. Not one Doctor would speak to us. Not even the anesthesiologist we wrote to after Nick described him as, the man who pushed that pipe down my throat. You would think they would respond when you are trying to let them know they may need to practice intubation a little more.
    Scary times.

  3. joy says:

    i sometimes really really hate doc’s like this. IVIG is on my list of maybes for Dominic, but so far its been too scary to try.

  4. Patti says:

    God, I wish I had some worthwhile advice. God Bless. God watch over. God be with.

  5. Kerry says:

    Holy shit! What an absolutely horrible person, let alone is credibility as a dr. At least he gave Seth’s reaction a good 5 seconds of his precious time. That conversation was purely about business, and so little to do with an actual human being. There is no partnership in this treatment. What a horrible dilemna you are facing. I am praying for you.

  6. Me says:

    These doctors must learn to not poke momma bear!!

    Kudos to you for standing up the arrogance!!

  7. *m* says:

    He is probably worried about being sued — that’s why he didn’t want to talk with you. Ugh!

  8. I feel for doctors who worry about being sued. I do. But I’m trying to keep him from harming other patients and help keep him from being sued, and he is sticking his fingers in his ears saying, “la,la,la,la,la, we’ve always done it this way.” And yes, I’m pissed Seth was put in danger. That drug was pushed into him from a tiny syringe(as he cried that it was burning), over a matter of 3-5 seconds. If given IV at all, it is supposed to be diluted and run slowly over time.

  9. Kathee says:

    Michelle I think our son’s are the same age and this post breaks my heart. I am so sorry your boy is going through this. I never heard of this IV push, thank you for the information/warning. I hope he heals quickly and I hope that “doctor” has some time over the weekend to re-think that conversation. Best to you and your family.

  10. Oh my god. I would absolutely NOT go back to this doctor. I can hardly believe that there’s no one within a reasonable distance that cannot provide IVIG. My daughter has had two bouts of ESES and received over 24 infusions –both at the hospital and through a company that sent a nurse out to our home. People with MS and other immune system disorders use IVIG as well. I’m sure you’re aware of all that, but I’m just floored by this asshole doctor — he sounds nuts (like Michael Jackson’s doctor or something!).

  11. Jill says:

    thank God YOU know better! that is a gift right there.

  12. Leah says:

    Time to get a new doctor. That’s appalling the way he treated you!

  13. Dee Ready says:

    Dear Michelle,
    This incompetent, unfeeling, ego-driven doctor told you that his clinic is the only place that does this procedure. Have you checked that out? I wouldn’t take his statement on trust. If there’s someplace else to go within driving distance that doesn’t exhaust Seth or you or Todd, then that’s the answer.

    You and Todd being with Seth when the injection occurs will assure this won’t happen to your son again. But you are concerned about others. I applaud you for that.

    Is there any watch group to whom you might write and report this?

    Your family is being placed by this doctor, who does probably fear being sued, in an untenable position.

    Stay brave and vigilant.


  14. kario says:

    I can’t imagine how difficult this must be for you all. This doctor who is driven by his busy-ness and his ego needs to have a reality check. I wish he had been there when Seth had his reaction, although I suspect he is so fear-driven that he wouldn’t have even seen it for what it was at the time. I know that you and HT will do what is best and that, although it is incredibly hard to do so, sitting with your fears and your hopes and using the law of attraction, the best solution will find its way to you.

    Sending love and light.

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